Due to the fact that my favorite Window manager is now licensed non-freely (and then some), I award Tuomo Valkonen the Jörg Schilling award for free software project management.
Tuomo can console himself with his award while I console myself with Tritium. With the new dock feature announced today, I think it just turned into something I can switch to.
This gave me a laugh :)
I think the trophy really needs a small golden turd on top to fully convey the Jorg-ness of it all.
Looks like it’s just a trademark attack.
Why not IceWeasel it in Debian?
Have you ever tried the GNOME Desktop environmnt? It’s really nice, and an official GNU project.
How stable do you find tritium? I’m thinking about switching for similar reasons.
I remember at one point in the discussion Tuomo was saying how old and broken the ion3 package in debian was… At the time, I was running ion3 on sarge. My uptime on one machine was over a year, and I had been logged into X with ion3 running the entire time… I don’t know why he couldn’t just leave it alone :)
Thanks for the link; I’ve been flitting around between window-managers lately, and it’s always nice to have an excuse to fritter away another hour trying a new one.
I like the idea of tritium (i.e. ion3, but free-er and in python), but it doesn’t look like it’s ready for use – unless you’re happy fixing bugs as you go, and reading the source in lieu of documentation. Guess it’s something I’ll take another look at in 6 months or so, and see how it’s matured.
Meanwhile, I’ll be back to using xmonad. Doesn’t have tabbing (unless you install an extension), but it does have a very nice way of reorganizing windows into alternative layouts, and does tiling pretty well.
Tuomo’s problem is called ego.
These guys are problematic, they place their ego on top of the list.
But actually, his point is not totally wrong. A lot of things just suck. (So does Ion by the way ;> )
Right on! (unfortunately)
And to the GNOME suggestion, we’re talking window managers here (compare to Metacity or Compiz). And oh how a tiling window manager (like ion and tritium) makes so much more sense that what you might be used to.
Every notice how now application manages its windows like your conventional window manager? It tiles them! Why then is that not the answer for your desktop as well?
ratpoison is almost the WM for me, but it keeps hanging at annoying moments.
ratpoison is almost the WM for me, but it keeps hanging at annoying moments.
Sorry for the double post, didn’t expect refresh to do that.
Jörg Schilling. Free Software. WTF?
Talking about forks and software suddenly getting a new, non-free (as from the Debian POV) software: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdrkit
Think about it!
Wow, today so far:
* I misread your post and thought you were nominating the guy that made the fork.
* Thought I became deaf on one ear because I somehow managed to turn down volume on right speaker output without noticing it (does KMix have any shortcuts I don’t know of?). Trust me, it sounds stupid but you get a huge shock from it.
* Filling up my media partition thus slowing down the system as it has to deal with little, fragmented chunks now. And no cash for new HDD
* New: Akismet rejecting this comment here.
I’d better go to bed now O_o
A lot of people have been raving about http://xmonad.org/ , in the same space.
I have a personal rule of avoiding software written by jerks. I’ve happily done without Ion, GNU Arch, etc.
On the topic of J00rgware, try http://scdbackup.sourceforge.net/cdrskin_eng.html for a completely not-based-on-cdrecord-in-any-way cdrecord replacement with active development
Hahaha, you are just a luser.
Better to work with someone like Tuomo (vision + skills), than to stick with those Debian lusers (to which you point) that are not really “developers” only packagers and that just fall short every single fucking time.
hmm, congratulateing working :)
What about http://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm – dwm ? a another nice simple tiled window manager. It’s a simple MIT/X License.
1. Michael: No, Tritium is not stable. It’ll be half gone in 12.32 years. snerk You could start another more stable window manager called Helium3. snerk again
2. hooray for xmonad. it’s got more extensions than dwm. i use it. i avoid clashing hotkeys by making the CapsLock key into Mod3 and making Mod3 the modifier for my xmonad commands. hooray for no CapsLock. :)
3. oh that tuomov. so dramatic. and he talks about penises so much.
4. xinerama may suck as much as tuomov says, but X does too, i’m pretty sure. we should all run plan 9.
I just found http://xmonad.org/ and I must say it’s the first window manager that I’ve actually liked since I was first introduced to fvwm in 1997.
Whoa, thanks for the pointer to tritium — I’ve been following this space very closely and still hadn’t heard of it.
I actually started working on my own tiling/Python wm: http://partiwm.org . Will have to get in touch with the tritium folks.
Note 1: Parti does not at this time actually manage windows in any useful way.
Note 2: It does reduce the wm problem to the “write a GTK app” problem (client windows are just GTK widgets), so I’m hoping fixing Note 1 will be much simpler than for traditional wm designs.
I’ve been using Ion3 for about 4 years now. I’m very disapointed about having to leave behind my favourite WM because of this.
For what it’s worth, I’ve been using Awesome for well over a year now and haven’t looked back.